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3-6-07 Various thoughts and comments on the Oconee Water Decision

(Melvin Davis) is really a tax and spend democrat. . We are paying a big price but getting little more water than we now have for less than a 1/10th of the cost. (7 MGD at a cost of less than $ 10 Million Versus $ 100 Million + debt for ultimate capacity of 12 MGD).

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March 4, 2007

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Thoughts and comments on the Oconee Water Decision

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By Wendell Dawson

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Some of the comments in support of the rush to sign on with Hard Labor Creek deal with need.   However, the population growth projections do not withstand scrutiny. http://www.oconeecountyobservations.blogspot.com/

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Some say “we need all the capacity we can get for the future”.   Unfortunately, this is not true.   We are paying a big price but getting little more water than we now have for less than a 1/10th of the cost.   (7 MGD at a cost of less than $ 10 Million Versus $ 100 Million + debt for ultimate capacity of 12 MGD).

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Several persons have told me that they have heard Commissioner Norris say on a number of occasions that ‘we always looked at Bear Creek Reservoir as a BAND-AID!’HOGWASH!    I attended regular meetings on this project for 12 years and NEVER HEARD IT CALLED THAT.  We did say that we needed to look for future water sources by 2020.    However, we had time to use due diligence in determining that source.    The Hard Labor Creek sounds like a Panic Decision for some who have bought into the myth that we are almost out of water.  THAT IS HOGWASH.

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Oconee County is considering a $ 100 Million + debt for ultimate capacity of 12 MGD.   That just seems like a small amount of water considering the debt and the population figures that the proponents are using.   The Jackson County Bear Creek project produced a lake with 50 MGD capacity.   The Bonds were under $ 69 Million for all four counties.   Oconee County has 7 MGD at a cost of less than $ 10 Million!That project was not dominated by developer interests.

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The EPD withdrawal limit for Bear Creek is now 79 mgd over any 24- hour period, and a monthly average not to exceed 58 mgd. Oconee County's share of that is 7 mgd with a 24-hour maximum of 9.5 mgd…. Melvin Davis has a copy of a letter and the new permit sent by Ade Oke, coordinator, of the M&I Surface Water Unit.  The letter was sent Dec. 22, and the authority approved the new permit at its Jan. 24 meeting.

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No cost figures have been determined on expanding the (Bear Creek) water plant, but the entire reservoir cost, including the 21 mgd treatment plant, was $ 60 million in bonds plus $ 11 Million from Athens Clarke for reservoir.

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Oconee gets 12 percent of the water, which at 58 mgd, works out to 6.96 mgd. It owns 21.4 percent of the water plant, which works out to 4.49 mgd. Management reported on Jan. 21 that average daily flow from the plant was less than 6 mgd for all three counties (Oconee, Jackson and Barrow).


Cost of Hard Labor Creek Reservoir Questions:

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March 4, 2007

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W T Daws wrote:
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Can anyone give me the total cost of the First Phase and how much water that will be available to Oconee, Walton?

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How about the second phase?

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Wtd


From: Roy Roberts
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:34 PM
To: W T Daws

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Subject: Hard Labor Creek Costs

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That is an excellent question.  The cost of the project has gone from $ 18 million to $ 500 million back to $ 397 million back to supposedly $ 113 million for Phase I. 

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This estimate is based on land costs of $ 10,000 per acre.  The principal land owners who own 80 % of the land (5 of them) are adamantly opposed to selling their land at any amount and will fight it all the way to condemnation.  Land is selling in the 20-30 thousand per acre at a minimum and with condemnation costs will cost the water authority three times as much as they claim. 

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In addition two bridges will have to span the lake and roads will have to be rerouted.  After studying these expenses for years and seeing them change to appease anyone interested in participating, I don't feel that anyone has any idea of the costs. 

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I do know that the cities of Walton County think that the cost for the amount of water to be derived is not feasible and are looking for alternative sources.  I also know that the engineers who will reap 14 million dollars out of the project have used bogus figures to justify the project on the basis that water users can and will pay for the project.  They have continuously adjusted their income and expenses, ignored others, to reach the desired results.

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As for the amount of water, they have stated it will take four years just to fill the reservoir.  If you looked at the flow this summer, you could have stepped over the stream.
  There is not much water in Hard Labor Creek and the expensive diversion is the only way to get any large amount of water. Also, the Hard Labor people do not have any withdrawal permits on Hard Labor Creek or The Apalachee as they state.

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To spend $ 113 million on 8 million gallons of water makes this project one of if not the most expensive projects in history  I hope everyone will slow down and reassess the situation until true figures can be calculated on all projects.


2-17-07 NOTICE- Important Oconee meeting on Feb 20, 2007 concerning water and future

2-21-07 Oconee Commissioners postpone the Water decision again- in face of crowd of citizens

BECKER:   Oconee County officials, in an effort to justify spending more than $00 million on a new reservoir, are using population growth estimates for the County that are certainly too high.

If the County estimates were correct, 37,317 more people would be living in Oconee County in 2015 than lived here in 2005, bringing the total population for the County to 67,065. The U.S. Census Bureau estimated that 29,748 lived here in 2005.

2-18-07 Oconee Water Option at Jack’s Creek

2-20-07 Oconee Water and Need for Intergovernmental Agreement


3-5-07 Feedback & Comments on Oconee BOC on Water and Growth

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Friday, March 02, 2007 - HM

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Re: 2-26-07 Oconee Population Projections and the Promoting and Enabling of Fast Growth

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Interesting!They are going to have to do something on Union Church Rd or we will not have a driveway and the former "Millers Blueberries" will be nonexistent due to water run off being poured on the fields.After it rains they have to come pump the water out of the ditch, but only after we call and complain. Public Works last week told me that the engineer is going to develop a new plan. They have no idea of how long that will take. The commissioners approved Cold Water Creek and were forewarned this type thing was going to happen, but of course they did it any way.

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(Melvin Davis) is really a tax and spend democrat.

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Friday, March 02, 2007 – LH

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…. Keep.. the pressure on this Hard Labor Creek reservoir issue.  MD's shortfall in not ever working in industry really shows up in his inability to look at water from all the angles.  Not having an intergovernmental agreement is just inept!  He is really feeding the development engine with county resources and other peoples' pockets.  It is not enough that he gave away sewer capacity the county had, now he is giving away water that the county doesn't have or control.  He is really a tax and spend democrat.
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It is SO obvious that this water thing is developer-driven…….

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Development on US 441

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March 2, 2007   GN

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A good argument to postpone any rezoning on US 441 is future plans of the DOT to re route and widen the highway to four lanes. As you know there has been no acceptable plans for where this road will go. The area North of Bishop to the county line is the area in question.

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Premature development of this area will limit any intelligent decision the DOT can make in locating the new highway. This is the area chairman Davis says will remain quite rural. It is the area needed to be developed to pay for the absurd Hard Labor Creek Water project. Davis is correct in that the county does not plan to pump water South. They will pump it North through the area. Assuming all these uncoordinated mislaid plans collide on US 441, the southern

part of Oconee County will become a war zone. New businesses and developments will have been built with access to old roads.

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Remember the growth projection needed to pay for the water project is 100% in eight years, nearly 5 times the current growth. This will be in the area of new road construction. Unimaginable - the only people who would move to such an area would be those looking for low income housing, including illegal immigrants.


Oconee BOC and Voting

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March 2, 2007 AH

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…….So MD has DN's vote - I guess it is Luke who is holding out?  Poor Chuck, while he has good intentions, doesn't understand the economics, and Margaret, she'll eventually come around and vote MD's way.


Lee Becker Oconee BOC Meeting on 3-6-07

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Friends of Barber Creek

1031 Willow Ridge
Athens, GA  30606

www.barbercreek.org

http://www.oconeecountyobservations.blogspot.com/

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March 2, 2007

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Oconee BOC Meeting on 3-6-07

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By Lee Becker

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Dear Friends,

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Two items on the Board of Commissioner agenda on Tuesday night (March 6) are of great importance.

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The first is the vote on reservoirs. The Commissioners agreed this week that they will vote on the Hard Labor Creek reservoir one way or the other on March 6. They can vote to join the $ 350 million plus project or to pass up the chance. The Oconee County commitment would be for $ 102 million in 2007 dollars. That does not include financing costs. If the Commissioners do not join Walton County on the Hard Labor Creek option, they might decide to move forward with the $ 108 million Barnett Shoals reservoir here in Oconee County.   Again, financing costs are not included, and the estimate is in 2007 dollars.

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The County has not made reasonable calculations of actual water needs. It has used grossly inflated estimates of population growth and defended them by saying there may be industrial users that will need the water even if residential growth won't require additional water. When I asked for data on number of water customers and water usage since the Utility Department started selling water so I could use those data in making projections, I was told by BOC Chairman Melvin Davis the data were not assembled in one place. If that is true, it means the County itself has not even looked at these data.

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Businesses that make financial decisions this way go under.Governments that make decisions this way increase taxes or promote development at all costs to cover expenses…………….


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